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  News:  
News Untitled Document Dear PCB123 User,

PCB123 is proud to announce the release of PCB123 V2 Build 2.0.0.6300 - Please note: This version is not availabe as a Flash Update, only as a full download.

We have listened to you:

• Order up to 100 Pcs with Quick Turn Around
• New libraries in Schematic and Layout that now contain over a 1000 common devices: PIC MCU, AVR, Flash, OTP, EPROM and much more.
• Increased the ability to quickly find the components you need with DigiKey, Jameco and Mouser part numbers.
• Added user definable preferences (global spacing, colors, etc…)
• New Board Wizard now contains common board templates (PC104, PC104+, Rabbit, PCI etc…)

For complete details please read the release notes

Higher quantity orders:

PCB123 V2 now offers up to 100 pieces orders.
We have added 30, 50, 75 and 100 piece quantities to the latest version of PCB123 V2.
- 30 and 50 piece orders ship with the same fast lead times.
- 75 piece orders add 1 extra business day.
- 100 piece orders add 2 extra business days.

We are now also offering an available Expedite option during your order process.
This will remove 1 day from your lead time on available orders.

New Libraries:

We now have hundreds of new schematic symbols in a library called condensed; this is the same name as the corresponding library in the layout application that is also called condensed. The library is sorted by manufacturer, for example: Part # at27lv010a_plcc_32 is Atmel, Part# CC1020 is Chipcon, Part# LT1222 is Linear Technology Etc…

You can also now search by: DigiKey, Mouser and Jameco Part Numbers. We have tried to include as many of these as possible to ease your identification and acquisition of these parts.

Benefits of PCB123:

• No cost design software
• Integrated purchasing – fast delivery (real-time pricing as you design)
• Easy to learn & use, up to 6 layers
• Intuitive manual & automatic routing including inner layers
• Comprehensive part libraries

Thank you,

-The PCB123 Team
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PCB123 - Easy As [1]-Download [2]-Design [3]-Order
"Providing the complete circuit board solution design through order"
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Posted by MrWizard on Monday, February 07 @ 14:10:39 PST (16980 reads)
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  News: PCB123 V2 Update Released 
NewsA new version of PCB123® has been released! Download Now!, Read the release notes Here

- This is a full install and NOT a patch. We have reduced the install size to under 5MB by not including all of the MONSTER library files.

- Keep in mind if you follow the installers instructions and uninstall first you will also loose the bulk of the MONSTER libraries. However they are available on an individual basis through the software menu PCB123 / "Download Library Parts..."

- We will release a patch in a week or so for everyone with a few more little treats and some fixes to things that did not make the cut in 06/18/04 release. There are some cool new features we will be adding in a month or so that give you the ability to do true 2D routing of your PCB design. This will basically allow you to draw point to point between your components and have the nets auto generated. This will be a great time saver for those of you who will be doing a simple design and don't need the power of a schematic netlist.

- Have fun and let us you what you think of the new release. -Todd, AkA MrWizard
Posted by MrWizard on Friday, June 18 @ 23:10:03 PDT (12731 reads)
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  PCB123 SUPPORT FAQ 
FAQ's
PCB123 - Support FAQ

Didn't get your question answered? Try our Knowledgebase or Contact Us
General
Who is PCB123?
How does this all work...What do I do?
What is your process schedule?
How do you get my files?
Did you receive my files or order form?
How will I know my order is being processed?
How to check the status of your order
What payment options are acceptable?
Standard and International Shipping
How can I reach someone at PCB123?
Send us direct Feedback
Can I order production quantities or additional features?
What is your upgrade policy?
Material
What laminate thicknesses do I have to choose from?
Can I order 2-oz copper instead of standard .5 oz?
Can I order 2-oz copper and .031 laminate?
Can I order a single sided board?
What is the thickness between layers of the MLB boards?
Technical
What finished hole sizes are available?
What is the panel size limit?
Can I have surface mounts?
Can I have text without silk-screen?
Will you fab (cut/route) my panelized boards?
What about v-score or tab routing?

Can I add my own footprint in PCB123?

FlashUpdate Fails or gives an error, How can I get my software updated?



Who is PCB123?

Pcb123's parent company Sunstone Circuits. has been manufacturing circuit boards for over 40 Years in the beautiful Pacific Northwest. We pride ourselves in providing the best quality products and services in the circuit board industry. All our products are

Our mission to you: To provide the complete circuit board solution design through order.
1.Easy to use 2. Easy to get 3. Easy to order

Free Software, Free Upgrades, Free e-mail and Phone Support.
PCB123 Features | Compare PCB123 | See What Other Customers are saying

How does this all work...What do I do?
All you have to do is go to our downloads page

You will be asked your name, e-mail address, and 2 questions. Click the GET LINK NOW! button. You will be sent an email that contains the link to download the software.
If the link doesn't work you may need to cut and paste it into your browser. This is a common issue for AOL users.

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What is your process schedule?
The cutoff time is 8am PST

Double sided boards without soldermask and silkscreen ship the following business day.

Double sided boards with soldermask and silkscreen are a 3 day process schedule!
(example orders in on 8am Monday, ship Thursday)

Double sided boards with soldermask and silkscreen and .031 Material or 2.5oz Copper are processed on Wednesdays ONLY. (example orders in on 8am Wednesday, ship the following Monday)

Multilayers without soldermask and silkscreen are a 3 day process schedule!
(example orders in on 8am Monday, ship Thursday)

Multilayers with soldermask and silkscreen are a 4 day process schedule!
(example orders in on 8am Monday, ship Friday)

How do you get my files?
Once your order is placed your files will automatically be transferred to our server for manufacturing. If you are behind a firewall, you will need to email your files to: sales@pcb123.com

Did you receive my files or order form?
We will send you a confirmation by e-mail indicating your order and files have been received.

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How will I know my order is being processed?
You may go to "PCB123| My Account" in the software. Select the "History" tab to get the status of all of your orders. When an order is placed, it automatically starts out as 'pending'. Once it is processed and building, the status is changed to 'processing'. Once the order has shipped the status is changed to 'shipped'. If your status is 'holding', there is a problem with the order and we will get in touch with you to resolve the problem.

How to check the status of your order:
From the main page of the web site go to User Area| Order Status.

From the software go to PCB123| My Account| select the history button. This will show you an order history.

What payment options are acceptable?

We accept Master Card, Visa, American Express, and Discover Card.
All payments are made by credit card which are processed through an online e-commerce company using secure encryption.

You will be directed via a secure socket to the credit processing site AFTER you have entered all of the order information. Please make sure your browser is set with "cookies enabled" otherwise the credit card will not be processed and your order will not reach us. We do not store your credit card number.

Standard and International Shipping:

Simple flat rate shipping:
FREE Ground USA, $10 Canada, $15 Second Day Air, $25 Next Day Air
International is only $45 for air service.

We will ship anywhere in the world, we have shipped to countries such as: Belgium, Canada, UK, Singapore, Netherlands, Malaysia etc.

You will receive an e-mail notice from UPS when your order ships. This email is sent from the Portland depot as your package is checked through. It is common for this to be later in the evening.

At this time we do not accept customer shipping account numbers.

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How can I reach someone at PCB123™?
Our phone number is: (503) 829-9108 X236
or 1-800-228-8198 X236
Fax: (503) 829-6657

PCB123
13626 S Freeman Rd
Mulino Oregon 97042 USA
support@pcb123.com

Send us direct Feedback
You may reach us at support@pcb123.com

Can I order production quantities or additional features?
Yes, If you need 20 to 10000 pieces we can help you. You may Get an instant quote on PCBPro.com for production quantities and other services at any time. We offer excellent discounts for production runs with many lead times available.

What is your upgrade policy?
We offer free upgrades as needed.

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What laminate thicknesses do I have to choose from?
For 2 layer boards we offer a choice of .031 or .062 laminate thickness. If you choose the .031 material it is started on .5 ounce material only.

Can I order 2-oz copper instead of standard .5-oz?
Our standard starting copper weight is .5 ounce. 2 ounce material is available with the 2 layer soldermask and silk-screened nomenclature option. Please remember to add .5 ounce for the finished copper weight.

Can I order 2-oz copper and .031 Laminate?
You may have 2 ounce copper with .062 laminate OR .5 ounce copper with .031 laminate. You may not have both.

Can I order a single sided board?
Yes. A single sided board with plated through holes is actually a double sided board with traces on only one side.
If you want a single sided board, just add traces to only one side. It is not any less expensive to process a single sided board as opposed to a double sided board. It is actually more complicated to build a single sided board than a double sided.

What is the thickness between layers of the MLB boards?

Layer

1-2

2-3

3-4

Dielectric spacing

allow +/-.001

.012
.028
.012
Layer
1-2
2-3
3-4

Dielectric constant

(allow +/-.2 variation, actual variation will be less)

4.6
4.7
4.6
Layer
1-2
2-3
3-4

Final Copper Thickness

(could go higher if design includes isolated traces, pads, etc.)

.002-.0025
.0012-.0013
.002-.0025

NOTE: 1/2 ounce foil is .0007 nominal thickness

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What finished hole sizes are available?
Finish Size:
0.014 (Multilayer only)
0.020
0.025
0.029
0.035
0.040
0.046
0.052
0.061
0.067
0.079
0.093
0.110
0.125
0.150
0.192
What is the panel size limit?
Your design is setup on a panel with other customers orders to run in the process batch. The largest board size allowed is 12 X 14.

Can I have surface mounts?

Surface mounts are not a problem for PCB123™. There is no added cost to process.


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Can I have text without silk-screen?

Any text on the TOP or BOT layer will be etched in copper. Many designers use this technique when they feel silkscreen and soldermask are not necessary. Keep in mind the minimum trace width is .007 or it may not appear on the board once etched.

Will you fab (cut/route) my panelized boards?
We do offer the precise routing feature on our PCB123™ services, routed to most any board perimeter shape, limited to 1 pass with a router bit (No internal cutouts).
We will only cut out the main panel and will not cut smaller boards from the panel. You will need to submit each smaller board as its own design, or cut them apart yourself. We do not do internal cutouts or tab routing.

What about v-score or tab routing?
At this time we do not do V-score or tab routing. These are available options with production orders. Please contact us for more information.

Can I add my own footprint in PCB123™?
Yes. You can use PCB123™ to draw the package footprint by first placing pads in the desired pattern. You must save all new parts into your own library as the libraries that come with the software are write protected.

FlashUpdate Fails or gives an error, How can I get my software updated?
There are few things you can do to get your software updates if you are behind a firewall or your system is not connected to the internet.

1. FlashUpdate fails with a 401 or 403 Error:
Once the update starts press the F2 Key and have your administrator configure your Proxy/Firewall settings and then try again.

2. Not connected to the internet or cannot get the Proxy configuration to work:
Download the patch manually from the communities Here
You must run the patch tool from the command line at this time. Instructions are with the download link. Call us if you need help

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Posted by mrwizard on Monday, May 03 @ 16:49:56 PDT (15939 reads)
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  News: PCB123 V2 Released 
NewsIndustry First – Instant Pricing As You Design
PCB123 is a free layout and schematic design software tool that quotes your board while you design! Industry first - provides the cost of your board through your design process so there are no surprises. No other software package provides a more seamless process from design through order.

Features & Benefits:
At PCB123, your feedback helps drive new and enhanced features to our software. Based on this feedback, we have added the following features from what our customers are asking for the most:

Features:
* Import Net lists from multiple CAD vendors
* 145,000+ parts library * 2, 4, and 6 layer support * Fast, accurate DRC/DFM (Design Rule Check/Design for Manufacturing)
* Copper pour with net connectivity
* Order your prototype directly from within the software!

Benefits:
* FREE Schematic and Layout Design Software
* Circuit Boards as Low As $10.00 Per Board
* Next Day Shipment Available for 2 layers
* Three Day Shipment Available for 4 and 6 layers
* The Best Support In The Industry

Posted by mrwizard on Friday, April 02 @ 11:07:42 PST (17337 reads)
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  Layout 2.0 Visual Tutorials 
Tutorials

Below are a few semi-interactive visual tutorials, these will allow you to quickly get aquatinted with the new version of PCB123 Layout Version 2.0 (Updated 4/21/04)

Interface

Manual Routing

Component Properties

Making Plane Connections

Editing the Board Outline

Please submit corrections or comments about these tutorials to support@pcb123.com

Posted by mrwizard on Thursday, March 18 @ 11:08:59 PST (16317 reads)
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  PCB123 HOW IT WORKS FAQ 
FAQ's





PCB123 HOW IT WORKS FAQ

Sounds too good to be true? We've got your answers here...

How can you afford to give away over $1000 worth of design software?
How easy is it to learn and use your software?
Is your product sophisticated enough to do my job?
Besides free software, how else does PCB123 save me money?
If you give away the software, you must be charging me more for my boards?
Can I use Netscape or other browsers?
Can I import netlists from other schematic applications?
How can I get my design files out of the PCB123 system?
Can I use your software without an internet connection?



How can you afford to give away over $1000 worth of design software?
By providing software that produces designs that fit our manufacturing process and streamline the ordering process we can afford to give you high quality design software at no cost. We save time and you save money.
We will never charge you for our high quality e-mail or phone support, Free software,Free upgrades.
(See some Screen Shots)
| (Compare Products)


How easy is it to learn and use your software?
If you like making small electronic circuits and don't want to use a breadboard or hand etching this is the perfect product.

The PCB123 software is flexible and intuitive enough for a beginner and has the features for the experienced designer as well. If you have some free time you can review our tutorial. It will walk you through the basics of a design and use of our software.

If you want to take a preview, run one of our online Visual tutorials.

By focusing on 2 and 4 layer boards we can supply software that is significantly easier to learn and use than “complex” products. We provide a full tutorial, FAQ’s, help forums, and unlimited e-mail support


Is your product sophisticated enough to do my job?
Our design package includes schematic capture and routing capabilities. To purchase similar software in the market today would cost over $600, and to reach the next level in capability you could easily spend $2000-$10000 (See some Screen Shots) (Return to Product Comparison)


Besides free software, how else does PCB123 save me money?
Design check
ready to produce design – no tooling cost

Ordering
No phone calls, no quoting, no faxes, no waiting, no salespeople

Expediting
Job status is on-line

Time
Boards are shipped next day or within 5 days at no extra cost

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If you give away the software, you must be charging me more for my boards?
The PCB123 design-order software and manufacturing economies achieved by producing large volumes of small orders allows us to provide boards at very competitive prices. PCB123 also has the unique feature that you know what your boards will cost while you design!


Can I use Netscape or other browsers?
Yes, however many of the features of PCB123 rely on Internet Explorer. As IE In and embedded part of all Microsoft Operating systems you should experience no problems.


Can I import netlists from other schematic applications?
PCB123 V2 natively supports all Tango and Protel netlist formats as well as PCB123 own schematic capture program. Almost all Schematic capture programs support a Tango netlist save as function or export. Please contact us if you have problems with your specific application and we will help you.


How can I get my design files out of the PCB123 system?
During the order process you can request in the comments section that you would like your gerber files sent to you as part of the order process. Your credit card will be charged an additional $50.00 and the files will be put on CD and sent with the order.


Can I use your software without an internet connection?
Yes, you can work on your design off-line. Software updates, ordering, and order status will require an internet connection.

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Posted by mrwizard on Friday, January 02 @ 19:50:01 PST (20407 reads)
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  Part Creation: PCB123 V1 Part Creation Tutorial 
Tutorials PCB123 Part Creation Tutorial.

Assumptions:
1. You have the most current version of the software.

What you will learn:

1. How to find PCB footprint specifications
2. How to modify the grid
3. How to renumber pads
4. How to create silkscreen
5. How to insert library parts


In the current BETA, we have made it fairly easy to create your own custom parts. However, it is a good idea to start off with a good understand of the utility’s strengths and weaknesses. This tutorial will focus on PCB Layout, but the basics can be used in either application.

To be successful with any type of part creation, be it Schematic or Layout, you need to start off with good specifications. Listed below are some generic guidelines:

1. Know the units that the part was designed in, Mils or Millimeters (standard or metric)
2. Pad to pad spacing both X and Y
3. Drill hole size
You can always create a part if you are holding the physical package in your hands. You can make the required measurements with calipers.

We will start off with downloading the PCB Foot print specifications from the manufacturer. I use www.Google.com as a rule to find what I am looking for. Basically I type the part number or package description in and usually a few dozen choices come up to choose from. After poking around a bit, I find what I need. If you know the 3 items above, you are almost guaranteed a good part when you are done.

I prefer the *.PDF (Adobe Acrobat document), as these documents are easy to print and be saved for later use. I highly recommend printing the part because it is VERY difficult to continue to alt-tab between the web page and PCB123. To repeat, PRINT the specifications out.

Once Layout is open from the toolbar select “Libraries” then “Part Editor”. You will notice a small square on the screen next to the text “Draw part symbol here”. This small square represents the insertion point (i.e. where the part will be inserted) when you place it in to your design. You will always start your design here.

We will be creating a standard dip 16 PCB socket, so type in to www.Google.com dip 16 PCB socket. Look what we get…. See how easy it is.

For this example I have included the required information below.

We know the following from looking at the pictures: (see below)

1. The part is on a .100 grid spacing (mils)
2. The pins are spaced .100 apart and .300 across
3. The package is .800 long and .400 wide.

In the part editor, we want to be sure we are working with the correct grid. From the part editor toolbar, select “Settings” then “Grid” then pick from the list “0.100”

So why are we doing this? Setting the grid to the most common spacing allows you to make easy calculations and the placement of pads goes quickly.

Now that the spacing is set to 0.100, we can place our first pad. From the part editor toolbar select “edit” then “insert object”, then “pad”. You can also press the “C” key or the red donut from the toolbar, and then simply place the first pad on the square. This will be pin one.
You have now placed your first pad of your new part. You should notice that your screen is broken into 0.100 grid points. Now place the next 7 pads in this row from left to right on top of these points. Now from the part editor tool bar, click on the “draw to fit” icon (light blue magnifying glass with a square in it).

You should be able to see things much clearer now. Pads are numbered from 1 to 8.
Now right click anywhere on the screen. This will get you out of place mode and in to the default select mode. Also known as Select/Edit mode. You will see that your mouse cross hair has changed to an arrow pointer. ... Select pad # 4, it will be selected when a dotted box is around it. Now delete it.

Go back to the toolbar and select the green donut again (pad object), place a pad in the empty space where pad 4 was. Notice that it now says 9. This is done automatically to prevent pin duplication. But now you are saying “I don’t want my pads miss-numbered” so let’s fix it. Select pad 9 and right click on it. A small dialog will come up. On the bottom is the text “pin number”. Enter 4 in here and hit “OK”

Now that things are back to normal, lets place the next row of pins. If you remember, we set the grid to 0.100. From our picture we know the next row is 0.300 from the first. So place the next pad 3 grid points below pad 1. Continue placing pads until you get to pin 16.

Now we need to change the pad drill size to mach our part. The default drill size on new pads is .02 but we want our part’s holes to be at 0.025. First, make sure you are in select mode by right clicking on the screen. Now left click and drag a box around all of the pins.

From the toolbar select “settings” then “pads”. This will bring up a dialog box allowing you to globally change all of your selected pads at once. Under the text “Hole” select 0.025 and click “OK” You will notice that the drill holes are now larger.

Great!! We are almost done. Let’s create the silk screen. Go up to the toolbar and select “Settings” then “Grid” then pick from the list “0.050” This will allow us to draw a rectangle .050 from the pads. From the toolbar, select the rectangle drawing object. Now left click and drag a rectangle around your part. Pay close attention that you are just one grid point away from the pads.

You can be as creative or as minimalist as you choose when designing your silkscreen.

Now let’s add a description. In the left hand side there is a large text box for you to type in your new part description. Put in “My first part”

It’s time to save your part. From the toolbar select “File: then “Save”. A dialog labeled “save Package library part” will come up with 2 columns of information. The first one is the library you will be saving it to and the other is the part name.

In the first column type “mylib” and in the second type “firstpart”. Select “Save Part”; it will ask you if you want to start a new library called “mylib”; click “YES”

You are now returned to the part editor and to close, simply click the small X in the corner or from the toolbar click “file” then “close” to exit.

Now that you are back in layout let’s try out your newly created part. From the toolbar, select “edit” then “insert object”, “library part” or you can also use the F5 key. From the dialog that comes up type in the Library column mylib then select it from the list. Once selected it will refresh the right hand column. Select “firstpart” then click “Load Part” The dialog will close and you can left click with your mouse to insert your part as many times as you wish. Once you right click anywhere on your screen you part (Or any part) will be unloaded from you cursor. (End)

This tutorial was created by Todd Clifton AkA MrWizard
If you have questions, comments, or suggestions please let us know at support@pcb123.com

Posted by MrWizard on Friday, March 21 @ 14:29:13 PST (60741 reads)
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